>How do they (other than Webring) list as far as ring traffic? I forgot to mention, If you studied the webring stats (back when you could) they didn't say how many hits were generated by Webring.org. Once when I was on a statistics kick I added up all the site numbers and compared them to the total traffic. The best I could figure at the time was that it was around 5%. The great hope of those sticking with Yahoo is that they will promote the rings and give ring sites better indexing than they do now. . . I wouldn't count on it from an outfit that charges $300 for priority handling but won't garantee a place on the index. Jock Dempsey webmaster@anvilfire.com