The problem with "Official" is that we have just left the safe confines of ONE "official" webring system to many small systems. It is a hard mindset to lose. As open code Ringlink is setup to create an environment of distributed rings and ringhosts. A distributed system has the advantage of not being controlled by one person or corporate entity. It is the strenght of the Internet itself. It also has the disadvantage of not having a central organization that makes sense of all the rings. A weakness of the Internet itself. To become a STRONG system there needs to be a distributed directory system. I have discussed a backup/restore system with Gunnar. It could be used to backup a rings directory that would be distributed to any member of the system that wanted to host the directory. James Huggins and I have been discussing a ring data exchange format (RXF) that would allow something like this to span different ring systems. For this system to work there would have to be ONE central directory where new rings and hosts join the system. IT would have "accept new sites" turned on, while the rest had "accept new sites" turned off. The ONE site accepting new members for the cause would always be listed as SITE #1 and titled "JOIN" to make it easy to find. Otherwise IDs would be permanent. This site could be a volunteer position OR voted on by ring or Rings hosts. . . To become THE site all the Ring host would have to do is turn ON "accept new sites" and all the ringhosts change the JOIN link. Some system that would make the database available would be needed. It is my goal to mail all the Ringmasters on my system their databases. The distribution of the Ring of Rings database could be similar. Eventualy it would probably need to be made available via FTP. The Ring of Rings list URL would be a ring entry on every member ring rather than a Ring of Rings home page. Click on Ring of Rings and a list of rings would replace the site list. Which one the member rings linked to could be determined by the Ring Host. To simplify things the Ring of Rings link could be a permanent link on the List page. Hard coded OR in the Config file. As a distributed database there would be safety in not having it just dissapear one day. . . It WOULD require some cooperation and administration. Just something to think about. Jock D.