I think something like this was discussed before but I can't remember the details. Would it be possible to have the RL Program modified to send the new RMs directly to the Ringlink Ring Directory at some point near the end of sign up for a new ring - don't give them a choice just send them - have them complete the directory information and then have the directory send them back to the ring system hosting site? Wouldn't this simplify the re-writing of both programs and reduce the amount of data being sent back and forth between the programs? And every time they updated the ring info send them again to the directory. If this is a really stupid idea please don't hit me with large bricks - :o) Debby T.